samedi 17 juillet 2010

Netanyahou (2001): "Les États-Unis ne se mettront pas dans notre chemin, on peut facilement les faire bouger"

Bibi aux colons : « L’Amérique ne se mettra pas en travers de notre chemin… on en fait ce qu’on veut. » (vidéo)


This Is the Real Netanyahu : ‘America Won’t Get in Our Way…It’s Easily Moved’

by Richard Silverstein (Tikkun-Olam)



Israel’s Channel 10 secured a video (Hebrew) recorded in 2001 during the height of a Palestinian terror campaign against Israel and the settlements. It records a condolence call Bibi Netanyahu, recently “retired” from politics after losing the prime ministership several years earlier, pays on a group of West Bank widows whose husbands had been killed by Palestinian attacks.
For those on the Israeli right who claim that the Oslo Accords broke down due to Palestinian terror or any such thing, watch this and you will see that Bibi brags that he destroyed Oslo. Even if you discount this by half as the braggadocio of a macho Israeli politician, it’s still eye-opening. Gideon Levy too has written about this footage in Haaretz.
Note in the first passage how Bibi brags that he has America wrapped around his thumb. The cynicism is breathtaking. Here is Dena Shunra’s translation:
Bibi:…The Arabs are currently focusing on a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one blow, but blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing…
Woman: Wait a moment, but then the world will say “how come you’re conquering again?”
Netanyahu: the world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending.
Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi?
Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction.
Child: They say they’re for us, but, it’s like…
Netanyahu: They won’t get in our way. They won’t get in our way.
Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they…
Netanyahu: So let’s say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It’s absurd. We have that kind of support and we say “what will we do with the…” Look. That administration [Clinton] was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn’t afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price.
In the following segment, Bibi boasts about how he emptied the Oslo Accords of meaning by an interpretation that made a mockery of them:
Woman: The Oslo Accords are a disaster.
Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that…The people [nation] has to know…
What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: “Will you act according to them?” and I answered: “yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.” “But how do you intend to limit the retreats?” “I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?
Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.
Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.
Woman: Right [laughs]…The Beit She’an Valley.
Netanyahu: How can you tell. How can you tell? But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.
Woman: And despite that, one of our own people, excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going to commit suicide with the Oslo Accord, gives them – for example – Hebron…
Netanyahu: Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It’s the thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: “What would your father say?” I went to my father. Do you know a little about my father’s position?
…He’s not exactly a lily-white dove, as they say. So my father heard the question and said: “Tell the rabbi that your grandfather, Rabbi Natan Milikowski, was a smart Jew. Tell him it would be better to give two percent than to give a hundred percent. And that’s the choice here. You gave two percent and in that way you stopped the withdrawal. Instead of a hundred percent.” The trick is not to be there and be broken. The trick is to be there and pay a minimal price.
Here are a few of Levy’s choice characterizations of Bibi’s performance in this video:
…Israel has had many rightist leaders since Menachem Begin…but there has never been one like Netanyahu, who wants to do it by deceit, to mock America, trick the Palestinians and lead us all astray. The man in the video betrays himself in his own words as a con artist, and now he is again prime minister of Israel. Don’t try to claim that he has changed since then. Such a crooked way of thinking does not change over the years.
Forget the Bar-Ilan University speech…this is the real Netanyahu. No more claims that the Palestinians are to blame for the failure of the Oslo Accords. Netanyahu exposed the naked truth to his hosts at Ofra: he destroyed the Oslo accords with his own hands and deeds, and he’s even proud of it. After years in which we were told that the Palestinians are to blame, the truth has emerged from the horse’s mouth.
…The government of Israel is led by a man who…thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes.
It should be noted that Bibi isn’t the only prime minister who boasted of such manipulation of the U.S. Dov Weisglass, Ariel Sharon’s Mephisto bragged of “putting the peace process in formaldehyde” via the Gaza withdrawal. He too claimed he had George Bush wrapped around his little finger (though he didn’t say which one).
This seems to be a fashion among right-wing Israel prime ministers. They come to believe their own press clippings. But really who is to blame for this but American presidents who allow Israeli leaders to outwit and outmaneuver them? When has an American president, except perhaps George Bush pere, ever stood up to Israel and won? And I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion it won’t ever happen with the current president.




Netanyahu Brags About How Easy It Is To Manipulate The United States
July 20 2010
The following is the English  transcript of the video alongside the Hebrew as translated by Dena Shunra starting at 3:15 - You can find her website here at hebrew.shunra.net:
Background: Netanyahu is visiting the home of a woman who just lost her husband, and she is being cheered by five other widows. There’s a young boy present, and Netanyahu asks (at about 3:00) that they turn off the camera so he can speak to them “freely”. The camera gets turned on again in mid-conversation.
אתם מתחילים עכשיו להבין את פרוש הסיסמה “יש”ע זה כאן”?מה ערפאת רוצה?
הוא רוצה התנחלות אחת גדולה. קוראים לה “תל אביב”.
Netanyahu: Are you starting to understand what the slogan “Judea and Samaria are right here”?What does Arafat want? He wants one big settlement. It’s called “Tel Aviv”.
אשה: כן. זה מה שכלתי, שהיא באה מאנגליה, אומרת. “גם תל-אביב היא התנחלות.”
Woman: Yes, that’s what my daughter in law, who comes from England, that what she says: “Tel Aviv is a settlement too.”
ביב: מבחינתם, לדעתי, גם המים הטריטוריאליים שלהו הם שלהם.
Netanyahu: As far as they’re concerned, I think, our territorial waters are also their?
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[inaudible]
זה שהם רוצים אותנו בים, כן. אבל בים (מצביע הצידה) הערבים ממקדים כרגע מלחמת טרור והם חושבים שזה ישבור אותנו. הדבר העיקרי, קודם כל, הוא לתת להם מכות. לא רק מכה, מכות כל כך מכאיבות שהמחיר יהיה כבד מנשוא. כרגע המחיר לא כבד מנשוא. התקפה רבת היקף על הרשות הפלסטינית. להביא אותם לפחד שהכול מתמוטט.
Netanyahu: The fact is that they want us in the sea, yes, but over there in the sea [points aside]. The Arabs are currently focusing a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one hit, so many painful its that the price will be to heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing.
אישה: הם לא פוחדים, הם צוחקים עלינו. הם יורים עלינו לתוך היישוב בצחוק…
Woman: They’re not afraid, they’re making fun of us. They shoot into our settlement and make fun of us.
ביבי: פחד שהכול מתמוטט. זה מה שמביא אותם ל… (מסובב אצבעות)
Netanyahu: Fear that everything is collapsing. That’s what leads them to… [makes a hand motion]
אישה: רגע, אבל אז עוד פעם העולם יגיד מה אתם כובשים?
Woman: wait a moment, but then the world will say “how come you’re conquering again?”
ביבי: העולם, העולם לא יגיד כלום. העולם יגיד שאנחנו מגנים.
Netanyahu: the world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending.
אישה: אתה לא מפחד מהעולם, ביבי?
Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi?
ביבי: במיוחד היום, עם אמריקה. אני יודע מה זה אמריקה. אמריקה זה דבר שאפשר להזיז אותו בקלות. להזיז לכיוון הנכון.
Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right correction.
ילד: הם אומרים שהם בעדנו, אבל, כאילו…
Child: They say they’re for us, but, it’s like…
ביבי: הם לא יפריעו לנו. לא יפריעו לנו.
Netanyahu: They won’t get in our way. They won’t get in our way.
ילד: מצד שני, אם אנחנו עושים איזה משהו, אז הם…
Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they…
ביבי: אז נניח שהם אומרים משהו. אז אומרים… אמרו! 80 אחוז מהאמריקאים תומכים בנו. זה אבסורד. יש לנו שם תמיכה כזו ואנחנו אומרים “מה נעשה עם הזה…” תראי, הממשל ההוא היה פרו-פלסטיני בצורה קיצונית. לא פחדתי לתמרן שם. לא פחדתי להתעמת עם קלינטון. לא פחדתי להתעמת עם האו”ם. בלאו הכי אני משלם את המחיר, אז עדיף לי כבר לקבל את תמורה. תמורה לאגרה.
Netanyahu: So let’s say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It’s absurd. We have that kind of support and we say “what will we do with the…” look. That administration was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn’t afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price.
ילד: אוסלו… מילא הבאנו להם דברים, ואנחנו לא יכולים לקחת להם אותם בחזרה, כי הם לא ייתנו להם אותם בחזרה.
Child: But never mind that we gave them things, and we can’t take them back. Because they won’t give them back to us.
ביבי: (עוצר אותו):  קודם כל, קודם כל אוסלו זו מערכת – אתה צודק. א’, אני לא יודע מה אפשר לקחת או אי אפשר.
Netanyahu (holds his and to stop him from speaking): first of all, first of all Oslo is a system –  you’re right. A, I don’t know what can be taken and can’t be taken.
אשה: יש לו דעות פולייטיות, תאמין לי.
Woman: he has political opinions, believe me.
ביבי: הוא צודק.
Netanyahu: He’s right.
אשה: הוא אמר לאריק שרון דברים שאני אמרתי לו: זה לא – זה לא דעה של ילד. הסכמי אוסלו זה אסון.
Woman: He said such things to Arik Sharonthat I told him: that’s not – that’ not a child’s opinion. The Oslo Accords are a disaster.
ביבי: כן, את זה את יודעת ואני ידעתי.
Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that.
אשה: יפה, אז חשבתי ש…
Woman: Fine, so I thought that…
ביבי: צריך שהעם יידע.
Netanyahu: The people [nation] has to know.
אשה: נכון. אבל חשבתי שראש הממשלה כן ידע, והוא יעשה הכל כדי, איכשהו, לא לעשות דברים קריטיים, כמו מסירת חברון ש…
Woman: Right. But I thought that the prime minister did know, and that he’d do everything so that, somehow, not to do critical things, like handing over Hebron, that…
ביבי: מה היו הסכמי אוסלו? הסכמי אוסלו שהכנסת חתמה עליהם – שאלות אותי, לךפני הבחירות: אתה תקיים?” אמרתי: “כן, כפוף להדדיות וצמצום הנסיגות.” “אבל איך אתה מצמצם את הנסיגות?” אני אתן פירוש להסכם שיאפשר לי להפסיק את הדהירה הזאת לקווי 67′. איך עשינו את זה?
Netanyahu: What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: “Will you act according to them?” and I answered: “yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.” “But how do you intend to limit the retreats?” “I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?
קריין: הסכם אוסלו קבע בשעתו כי ישראל תמסור בהדרגה שטחים לפלסטינים בשלוש פעימות שונות, אלא אם בשטחים האמורים יימצאו התנחלויות, או אתרים צבאיים. כאן מזה ביבי פרצה.
Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.
אף אחד לא אמר מה זה אתרים צבאיים מוגדרים. אתרים צבאיים מוגדרים, אני אמרתי, אלה אזורי ביטחון. בקעת הירדן, מבחינתי, זה אזור צבאי מוגדר.
Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.
אישה: נכון. (צוחקת) יישובי בית שאן. עמק בית שאן.
Woman: Right [laughs]. The Beit She’an settlements. The Beit She’an Valley.
ביבי: לך תגיד. לך תגיד. אבל אז היתה שאלה, מי יגדיר מה זה “אתרים צבאיים מוגדרים”. קיבלתי מכתב מכריסטופר. אלי ואל ערפאת באותה שעה, שאומר שישראל, וישראל בלבד, היא זו שתגדיר מה הם, את מיקום האתרים הצבאיים האלה, ואת גודלם. עכשיו, הם לא רצו לתת את המכתב הזה, אז לא נתתי את הסכם חברון. הפסקתי את ישיבת הממשלה, אמרתי: “אני לא חותם”. רק כשהגיע המכתב, תוך כדי הישיבה אלי ואל ערפאת, חתמתי על הסכם חברון, או אשררתי אותו. הוא כבר היה חתום קודם. למה זה חשוב? כי מאותו הרגע עצרתי בעצם את הסכם אוסלו.
Netanyahu: How can you tell. How can you tell? But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.
אשה: ולמרות זאת, אדם משלנו, סליחה, שידע שזו תרמית, ושאנחנו הולכים להתאבד עם הסכם אוסלו, נותן להם לדוגמה את חברון. את זה אף פעם לא הבנתי.
Woman: And despite that, one of our own peope, excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going to commit suicide with the Oslo Accord, gives them – for example – Hebron. I never understood that.
ביבי: באמת חברון זה כואב. זה כואב. זה הדבר שכואב. אחד מהרבנים המפורסמים, שאני מאוד מכבד אותו, רב של ארץ ישראל, אמר לי: מה היה אבא שלך אומר?” הלכתי לאבא שלי. אתם יודעים קצת על העמדות של אבא שלי?
Netanyahu: Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It’s the thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: “What would your father say?”  I went to my father. Do you know a little about my father’s positiond?
אישה: כן
Woman: Yes.
אבי הוא…
Netanyahu: My father is…
ילד: לא (צוחק)
Child: No. [laughs]
אישה: הוא יקרא עוד מעט.
Woman: He’ll read in a little while.
ביבי: הוא לא בדיוק יונה צחורה, כמו שאומרים. אז אבי שמע את השאלה ואמר: “תגיד לרב שהסבא שלך, הרב נתן מיליקובסקי, היה יהודי חכם. תגיד לו שעדיף לתת שני אחוז מאשר לתת מאה אחוז.” וזו הברירה שעומדת כאן על הפרק. אתה נתת שני אחוז ובזה עצרת את הנסיגה הזאת. במקום מאה אחוזים.”  החוכמה היא לא להיות שם ולהישבר. החוכמה היא להיות שם ולשלם מחיר מזערי.
Netanyahu: He’s not exactly a lily-white dove, as they say. So my father heard the question and said: “Tell the rabbi that your grandfather, Rabbi Natan Milikowski, was a smart Jew. Tell him it would be better to give two percent than to give a hundred percent. And that’s the choice here. You gave two percent and in that way you stopped the withdrawal. Instead of a hundred percent.” The trick is not to be there and break down. The trick is to be there and pay a minimal price.
אישה: אמן כראש ממשלה.
Woman: May you say that as prime minister.
ביבי: אני מעריך שכן. אני מעריך שזה יקרה.
Netanyahu: In my estimate that will happen.
Gordon Levy from Haaretz on the Netanyahu video:
“This video should have been banned for broadcast to minors. This video should have been shown in every home in Israel, then sent to Washington and Ramallah. Banned for viewing by children so as not to corrupt them, and distributed around the country and the world so that everyone will know who leads the government of Israel. Channel 10 presented: The real (and deceitful ) face of Binyamin Netanyahu. Broadcast on Friday night on “This Week with Miki Rosenthal,” it was filmed secretly in 2001, during a visit by Citizen Netanyahu to the home of a bereaved family in the settlement of Ofra, and astoundingly, it has not created a stir.”




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